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utsfl:classroom:seminars:pbp230h [2023/06/30 18:23] – mmccannutsfl:classroom:seminars:pbp230h [2023/06/30 19:10] – [The Response] mmccann
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       - This is a classic trot out the toddler case -- even //if// legalized abortion reduces crime, that isn't a justification for killing if pre-born children are human beings, otherwise it would also be a justification for killing toddlers.       - This is a classic trot out the toddler case -- even //if// legalized abortion reduces crime, that isn't a justification for killing if pre-born children are human beings, otherwise it would also be a justification for killing toddlers.
   - **Citation?** It might not even be true. Donohue/Levitt have been fending off substantively academic criticisms of their findings since 2001.((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=Critics%20have%20argued%20that%20Donohue,Supreme%20Court%20case%20Roe%20v.))    - **Citation?** It might not even be true. Donohue/Levitt have been fending off substantively academic criticisms of their findings since 2001.((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=Critics%20have%20argued%20that%20Donohue,Supreme%20Court%20case%20Roe%20v.)) 
-      - Ex. "[Christopher] Foote and [Christopher] Goetz also criticize Levitt and Donahue's use of arrest totals rather than arrests per capita, which takes population size into account. Using Census Bureau population estimates, Foote and Goetz repeated the analysis using arrest rates in place of simple arrest totals, and found that the effect of abortion disappeared entirely...Foote and Goetz also criticize Levitt and Donahue's use of arrest totals rather than arrests per capita, which takes population size into account. Using Census Bureau population estimates, Foote and Goetz repeated the analysis using arrest rates in place of simple arrest totals, and found that the effect of abortion disappeared entirely." ((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=Critics%20have%20argued%20that%20Donohue,Supreme%20Court%20case%20Roe%20v and https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2005/12/01/oops-onomics?story_id=5246700))+      - Ex. "[Christopher] Foote and [Christopher] Goetz also criticize Levitt and Donahue's use of arrest totals rather than arrests per capita, which takes population size into account. Using Census Bureau population estimates, Foote and Goetz repeated the analysis using arrest rates in place of simple arrest totals, and found that the effect of abortion disappeared entirely." ((https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legalized_abortion_and_crime_effect#:~:text=Critics%20have%20argued%20that%20Donohue,Supreme%20Court%20case%20Roe%20v and https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2005/12/01/oops-onomics?story_id=5246700)) (Because if the overall population is bigger simply because fewer people are being killed by abortion, then you might have net more crimes, but not more crimes per capita.)
     - The data is messy and incomplete. There //might// be a correlation between legalized abortion and reductions in violent crime, but when controlling for other crime-associated factors, that effect seems lessened, or some argues even disappears entirely. Point is: it's not entirely clear to what extent, if any, legalized abortion actually reduces crime. It might. It might not. There is open debate happening on the question. But in any case, we shouldn't be trying to reduce the crime rates of adults by increasing the killing of babies.     - The data is messy and incomplete. There //might// be a correlation between legalized abortion and reductions in violent crime, but when controlling for other crime-associated factors, that effect seems lessened, or some argues even disappears entirely. Point is: it's not entirely clear to what extent, if any, legalized abortion actually reduces crime. It might. It might not. There is open debate happening on the question. But in any case, we shouldn't be trying to reduce the crime rates of adults by increasing the killing of babies.
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