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utsfl:classroom:seminars:pba350h [2024/01/28 22:01] – [Embryo Adoption] into the weeds on Catholic objections to embryo adoption mmccannutsfl:classroom:seminars:pba350h [2025/08/18 18:32] (current) – balleyne
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 ====== PBA350H: Pre-Born Human Rights Beyond Abortion ====== ====== PBA350H: Pre-Born Human Rights Beyond Abortion ======
 +FIXME maybe this should START with IVF, then go to embryonic stem cell research as a spinoff...
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   * Our focus is usually on abortion because it is the most common and most visible injustice when the right to life is denied to pre-born human beings.   * Our focus is usually on abortion because it is the most common and most visible injustice when the right to life is denied to pre-born human beings.
   * However, the pro-life position on pre-born human rights has ethical implications on other issues beyond abortion as well.   * However, the pro-life position on pre-born human rights has ethical implications on other issues beyond abortion as well.
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 FIXME CCBR position piece https://www.endthekilling.ca/blog/2018/11/22/in-vitro-fertilization-a-human-rights-perspective/ FIXME CCBR position piece https://www.endthekilling.ca/blog/2018/11/22/in-vitro-fertilization-a-human-rights-perspective/
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 +FIXME resource? Or insensitive/unclear? https://x.com/FrMatthewLC/status/1878833968860242226
  
 ===== Cloning ===== ===== Cloning =====
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 ===== Embryo Adoption ===== ===== Embryo Adoption =====
 +FIXME this is an extension of the IVF question. Either cloning becomes a quick "aside", or these should be back-to-back or something. The topics are more closely linked than suggested by this layout. (Though... perhaps so is embryonic stem cell research? The flow should be considered here, order of topics...)
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 This needs more polished notes, but the core for this section is: This needs more polished notes, but the core for this section is:
   * Introduce the concept of embryo adoption, explain what it is   * Introduce the concept of embryo adoption, explain what it is
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 FIXME responses to the slightly psychotic view of some Catholics that we should just "thaw them, baptise them, and bury them"  FIXME responses to the slightly psychotic view of some Catholics that we should just "thaw them, baptise them, and bury them" 
  
-FIXME Stephanie Gray gives the rescue-arguments for, and some (IMO bizarre) arguments against((Stephanie's analogy about taking kidneys from your own children to help the other sick children seems seriously flawed, because she equates "sacrificing a window of opportunity for conceiving a new child" with "taking necessary resources away from your own children". But as pro-lifers who know that life does not begin before fertilization, how does it make sense to say that sacrificing a window of opportunity of fertility, for the sake of saving another baby's life, is the same thing as taking away from your children... when those children have not been conceived and therefore do not exist? +FIXME Stephanie Gray gives the rescue-arguments for, and some (IMO bizarre) arguments against((Stephanie's analogy about taking kidneys from your own children to help the other sick children seems seriously flawed, because she equates "sacrificing a window of opportunity for conceiving a new child / temporarily sacrificing the space where your new child is biologically supposed to live" with "taking necessary resources away from your own children". But as pro-lifers who know that life does not begin before fertilization, how does it make sense to say that sacrificing a window of opportunity of fertility, for the sake of saving another baby's life, is the same thing as taking away from your children... when those children have not been conceived and therefore do not exist?