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utsfl:classroom:seminars:pba350h [2020/01/31 12:23] – balleyneutsfl:classroom:seminars:pba350h [2025/03/12 10:36] (current) – note that embryo adoption and IVF should be more closely linked, rather than treated as separate topics balleyne
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 ===== Assisted Reproductive Technologies ===== ===== Assisted Reproductive Technologies =====
 <note>This is a great overview from a pro-life perspective to get some background knowledge and answers to FAQ: https://www.masscitizensforlife.org/in-vitro-fertilization-frequently-asked-questions-answers</note> <note>This is a great overview from a pro-life perspective to get some background knowledge and answers to FAQ: https://www.masscitizensforlife.org/in-vitro-fertilization-frequently-asked-questions-answers</note>
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 +This video provides a 2min overview of different Assisted Reproductive Technologies:
 +{{youtube>yKcK4UZe4UQ}}
  
 Let's take three types of treatments for infertility Let's take three types of treatments for infertility
-  * NFP treatments FIXME 
   * Artificial Insemination   * Artificial Insemination
   * In Vitro Fertilization   * In Vitro Fertilization
 +  * non-ART: treatment of the underlying//cause// of infertility to allow couples to conceive children naturally (e.g. https://www.naprotechnology.com/infertility.htm )
  
 :?: From a right to life perspective, which of these are ethical or unethical? :?: From a right to life perspective, which of these are ethical or unethical?
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 There's also a concern about treating human children as commodities to be mass produced like objects. Is that really an approach that respects the dignity of each individual person, the human rights of each individual human being? There's also a concern about treating human children as commodities to be mass produced like objects. Is that really an approach that respects the dignity of each individual person, the human rights of each individual human being?
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 +FIXME re: commodity culture https://www.endthekilling.ca/blog/2017/05/08/embryo-ashes/
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 +FIXME CCBR position piece https://www.endthekilling.ca/blog/2018/11/22/in-vitro-fertilization-a-human-rights-perspective/
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 +FIXME resource? Or insensitive/unclear? https://x.com/FrMatthewLC/status/1878833968860242226
  
 ===== Cloning ===== ===== Cloning =====
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   * Also, in practical, objectives like "therapeutic cloning" are not actually to simply clone new human beings to live, but rather to clone new human beings to die - to clone a person so that the clones embryonic cells can be harvested to treat the first person. Created human beings for the purpose of killing them and harvesting their cells is a clear human rights violation.   * Also, in practical, objectives like "therapeutic cloning" are not actually to simply clone new human beings to live, but rather to clone new human beings to die - to clone a person so that the clones embryonic cells can be harvested to treat the first person. Created human beings for the purpose of killing them and harvesting their cells is a clear human rights violation.
  
 +===== Embryo Adoption =====
 +FIXME this is an extension of the IVF question. Either cloning becomes a quick "aside", or these should be back-to-back or something. The topics are more closely linked than suggested by this layout. (Though... perhaps so is embryonic stem cell research? The flow should be considered here, order of topics...)
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 +This needs more polished notes, but the core for this section is:
 +  * Introduce the concept of embryo adoption, explain what it is
 +  * Ask whether or not it's ethical?
 +  * Introduce the framing: adoption? surrogacy? or rescue?
 +  * Share the rescue/adoption perspective from Life Under the Glass, and the distinctions between moral and immoral ways to approach it, or the kinds of serious questions raised
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 +FIXME really good chance to discuss this here, and opens the door up to vaccines because it raises cooperation in evil questions rather than killing questions
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 +FIXME could probably turn this into its own seminar
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 +FIXME Analogy to buying a slave to free them
 +  * Are you contributing financially to the slave trade?
 +  * What about Wilberforce and compensation for emancipation to bring about an end to slavery?
 +  * or Schindler bribing Nazi officials so that his Jewish workers wouldn't get taken away to concentration camps
 +  * etc
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 +Other questions:
 +  * Some ask, is it justifiable to spend tons of money on embryo adoption if the resources could go to adopting a larger number of born kids who are suffering? (**Not** the same thing as saying you can kill the embryos, but rather a triage question. On the one hand, there are way larger numbers of human embryos who are in greater danger of either being directly killed, or dying from the freezing process. On the other hand, there are large numbers of born human children who are experiencing a higher degree of suffering while they wait for adoptive families. Like many situations of human suffering and mistreatment, we face the question of how to allocate limited resources. What is the most ethical way to direct resources? But also, important to not create a false dichotomy)
 +  * FIXME Summarize CCBR book's responses to common Qs
 +    * Frame the discussion: **"These children exist. How do we rescue them?"**
 +    * Primary moral questions: are you contributing to an unjust system (IVF industry)? For some Christians (esp. Catholics), objection that it contravenes natural law on sexuality and procreation.
 +  * FIXME https://open.spotify.com/episode/7FkDnAL1MBRgz3ZCuRCErX Bas & Kerri Ann, personal story
 +  * FIXME https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-christians-should-know-about-embryo-adoption/ 
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 +FIXME need some background at the ready for Catholic objections from Donom Vitae and Dignitatis Personae, with responses from John Berkman and Charlie Camosy
 +FIXME responses to the slightly psychotic view of some Catholics that we should just "thaw them, baptise them, and bury them" 
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 +FIXME Stephanie Gray gives the rescue-arguments for, and some (IMO bizarre) arguments against((Stephanie's analogy about taking kidneys from your own children to help the other sick children seems seriously flawed, because she equates "sacrificing a window of opportunity for conceiving a new child / temporarily sacrificing the space where your new child is biologically supposed to live" with "taking necessary resources away from your own children". But as pro-lifers who know that life does not begin before fertilization, how does it make sense to say that sacrificing a window of opportunity of fertility, for the sake of saving another baby's life, is the same thing as taking away from your children... when those children have not been conceived and therefore do not exist? 
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 +A better analogy might be this: Suppose there is a newlywed couple in the United States during World War II, before the US has joined the war. They have heard about what the Nazis are doing and are increasingly concerned about innocent people being killed, so they prayerfully discern, and the husband volunteers to fight overseas. They are, //at minimum//, sacrificing a window of opportunity for conceiving new children because of his absence; at worst, they are permanently sacrificing that opportunity, because he could die overseas.
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 +Would we say that his actions are immoral, because he has a higher duty to his potential future children, and needs to stay with his wife so that they can welcome children? I would certainly agree with Stephanie that his actions are //"extraordinary care"// in this scenario and not something that can be demanded of him, but it seems ridiculous to say that he cannot go try to save other people's lives just because doing so means sacrificing opportunities for procreating with his wife.)), embryo adoption: https://youtu.be/mZNSD9pc_Zg?si=9LIR8T9K7lAZZzJa
 ===== Vaccines ===== ===== Vaccines =====
-  * (unfiltered) This is not about pseudoscientific conspiracy theories about vaccines causing autism or something, because the pro-life position is rooted in actual science. +  * The question is: is it ethical to use vaccines that have been derived from aborted fetal cell lines? 
-  * Rather, the question is whether or not it is ethical to use vaccines that have been derived from aborted fetal cell lines+    * Pro-lifers may disagree on this. Some may advocate we avoid the use of these vaccines entirely. But many see this is a question of double-effect reasoning (or cooperation with evil) to determine whether or not it could ever by ethically permissible 
 +    * Ratzinger letter: https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm 
 +      * "To **summarize**, it must be confirmed that:" 
 +        * "there is a **grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines** and to **make a conscientious objection** with regard to those which have moral problems;" 
 +        * "as regards the vaccines without an alternative, the need to contest so that others may be prepared must be reaffirmed, as should be the **lawfulness of using the former in the meantime** insomuch as is necessary in order to avoid a serious risk not only for one's own children but also, and perhaps more specifically, for the health conditions of the population as a whole - especially for pregnant women;" 
 +        * "the lawfulness of the use of these vaccines **should not be misinterpreted as a declaration of the lawfulness of their production, marketing and use,** but is to be understood as being a passive material cooperation and, in its mildest and remotest sense, also active, morally justified as an extrema ratio due to the necessity to provide for the good of one's children and of the people who come in contact with the children (pregnant women);" 
 +        * "such cooperation occurs in a context of **moral coercion of the conscience of parents**, who are forced to choose to act against their conscience or otherwise, to put the health of their children and of the population as a whole at risk. This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible." 
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 +Cooperation with evil diagram 
  
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-  * Ratzinger letter +
-  * Cooperation with evil diagram+